How in the hell could you?

[mayqueen517]

Only a short post....

How the FUCK can a woman kill her own children? How?

It's beyond me.

Those kids that died in a fire near my house were killed by their mother.

That's right.

Said that the woman is arrested currently and their dad lives up in Monroe. It's assumed that the children were still alive when she set the house on fire.

It's beyond me why some of this shit happens.

ETA---Here's the stuff from my local news reporting on it. It's not alot of info but it's there and in a form that explains it.::

Mother Charged With Setting Fire Which Killed Her Two Children


Midland, NC -- Cabarrus County deputies charged a mother with murder and arson in the fire which killed her two children at their home on Candilara Lane in Midland on Tuesday.

Lisa Greene was arrested Friday afternoon and charged with two counts of 1st degree murder, one count of 1st degree arson, possession of marijuana and possession of drug paraphernalia.

Greene had told investigators shortly after the fire that she was sleeping in the living room of the home, woke up and sprained her ankle trying unsuccessfully to reach her eight-year-old daughter, Addison Macemore and 10-year-old son, Daniel Macemore.

Both children were students at Bethel Elementary School.

Sheriff Brad Riley said Friday night that the evidence collected at the scene did not match all of Greene's statments.

Riley said an open flame started the fire at the home, but he would not provide other details about the cause.

God rest their little souls.

Comments

[fillefjonkan.livejournal.com]

What the fuck? How? What? Why? I'm sorry, I just don't get it. How the fuck could someone do something like that?

[mayqueen517.livejournal.com]

I don't know Fe, I honestly don't.

It's so...heartbreaking. It really is. They were innocent little kids. They went to my old elementary school and they went to school with Bridezilla's sister.

And all I can think about is BLS. She was friends with them. Damnit..this...it honestly breaks my heart. I don't see how someone could do that to ANYONE, let alone their own children.

[forest-fruits1.livejournal.com]

WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!? That is beyond horrible...that's just plain evil. How the hell anyone can do something like that is unthinkable. It's at times like this I really do wonder what is to become of the world.

~Forest

[stonefinder.livejournal.com]

The human mind is a very powerful thing and can convince itself to do almost anything. That is why and how atrocities happen. People let it happen, no matter how much they know it is wrong, because they convince themselves that under whatever the circumstances, it's okay. Look at Sophia's Millennium, for example. Yes, it's fiction, but it provides a very good example of how sane, upright, rational and moral people can justify all sorts of atrocities in the name of some greater good. It's a defense mechanism, when it doesn't get toxic, the enables survival. Trouble is, it is so easily turned toxic.

Denial and rationalization are very, very powerful. Don't kid yourself.

[mayqueen517.livejournal.com]

Agreed Rhi.

I wanna hear what her fucking excuse was. *shakes head*

I don't know, this tears at me. I cannot fathom how or why a parent would want to do that. It's just beyond me.

It reminds me of that woman...Susan something from South Carolina who drowned her two little boys and then tried to pass it off like she was the victim of a car-jacking.

Little kids shouldn't have to die.

[stonefinder.livejournal.com]

It's a terrible thing, Chrissy, but it happens. A lot of people are going mental, and as always, it's the innocents who sufffer. It's a sign of a dysfunctional society, in my opinion. There is something wrong with the culture when something like this happens on a frequent basis. We're too stressed out and when people are forced into things they don't want because of social and relgious pressure....

There are no such thing as excuses, only explanations. Nothing changes what has already happened and knowing what caused it isn't going to change the past, make it go away, or make it okay. At best, all it can do is prevent a reoccurence. That is, if the lesson an incident teaches is not only understood but accepted for what it is. Too often, such lessons are ignored in the name of political and/or economic expediency.

That being said, I would like to point out one more thing. Just because this woman was arrested and accused of this, doesn't always mean that it's true. The police do make mistakes, people are framed and very often, innocent people are harassed by the law to serve some politician's agenda. I'm not saying that this is the case here, but the fact remains that an arrest is not a conviction and a conviction is not always reflective of fact. We don't know all the facts of the case; we haven't seen the evidence. Until that evidence is presented in a court of law, we can't know it and even then, we can never be sure that all the evidence was presented. Lawyers are as bad as journalists when it comes to manipulating evidence to suit their purposes, so it's best to take reports like these with a grain of salt and reserve judgment.

[mayqueen517.livejournal.com]

They haven't released full reports just yet.

But it has been said, from the neighbors et cetera that she claimed to have sprained her ankle AND the fire started outside of the kid's bedrooms.

Not to mention only she and the kdis lived there, she was able to get out yet they kids were unreachable? I mean...yeah the houses down here are small but they do have windows that are functionable.

Like I said, she was arressted but they haven't realeased anymore things about it--I'm posting this stuff as it comes out. But I think this is just another one of those Susan Smith cases where the mother tries to be the victim and really is the murderer.

[stonefinder.livejournal.com]

It may well be another Susan Smith case. However...

Fact is? Fire can spread very, very fast. Particularly in older homes that were built before fire retardant materials were developed. A house can go from zero to full on conflageration in a blink of an eye. Fire is very unpredictable, how it behaves is not always predictable. Furthermore, people who die in fires usually die of smoke inhalation, not of burns. Fortunately. The smoke can get you very, very quickly, particularly if the fire is burning toxic materials. Sometimes people go to sleep in a perfectly safe house and they never wake up because a fire started and the smoked killed them before they were even aware that it was there.

It's always very easy to judge someone else's actions in a situaion that we have not experienced ourselves. It's very easy to think and behave rationally when the adrenalin is not pumping and we're not crazed with fear for our lives. Instinct kicks in. Fight or flight becomes a factor. In an emergency, people don't always behave as expected. With adrenalin pumping, people have done pretty amazing things, up to and including lifting vehicle rollovers off of someone. Even with broken bones, much less a sprained ankle. When survival is at stake, the body overrides pain and injury until it can get out of danger.

Point is, unless you have lived through it yourself, you cannot accurately judge another's actions in an emergency, life threatening situation.

Again, I'm not saying you're wrong or that she's innocent. I don't know. I can't know. I wasn't there. Neither were you. I'm trying to get you to think a bit objectively here and not jump to conclusions. We don't know if she had a sprained ankle. We can't know. Who said she had a sprained ankle? Supposedly, she told the cops and they told the newspapers and the newspapers told you. Ever play Telephone? If you had, you would know that even a perfectly innocent message could get garbled. Just because something is in print, doesn't mean it's true.

There is a reason for the principle of Innocent Until Proven Guilty and a reason why hearsay evidence is not admissible in court. Newspapers are hearsay evidence. If the cop told you directly, it's hearsay evidence, unless he is sworn under oath in a court of law. Unless this woman told you directly or you actually heard her claim this, it's hearsay.

It's a horrific thing and it's too early to say what happened or who's at fault, but try and think objectively when you hear these stories. Do not believe everything people tell you. Understand that newspapers are in the business of making money and they are going do whatever they can to sell papers. Cops and district attorneys have agendas. When a case captures the imagination of the public, the pressure to resolve it, is enormous. It ceases to become a matter of finding the truth and becomes a matter of getting someone, anyone to pay. This is how innocent people end up in jail. Not saying she's innocent; again I can't say, but you have got to think objectively about things like this. You have to weigh everything in context. Innocent until proven guilty, Chrissy and an arrest and newspapers reports doesn't provie squat.

[sophia-lde.livejournal.com]

We once had a case here in Germany where a mother was accused of having murdered her two daughters. She spent several years in prison and everything sounded very convincing. Then the case was reopened again and suddenly it didn't look so clear anymore. In the end she was released and I think her husband or boyfriend or whatever he was at that time, was arrested. In addition to having her daughters murdered, this woman also spent several years in prison for it, being innocent.
Since then I've started to treat cases like this very careful. Of course it's possible that she did it, but sometimes it's difficult to say what has happened.

[mayqueen517.livejournal.com]

It'd be nicer to think that no one had killed those kids and they were still alive.

The mother lived with just the kids and the father was apparently recently remarried and living around 30 minutes away. *sighs*

It just tears at my heart you know? It's so sad. If she didn't want those kids she could have given them to their father.

If you read in my response to Rhi, I've explained a wee bit more

[sophia-lde.livejournal.com]

I totally understand how you feel. And if she did it it's one of the most horrible things that can happen. Parents killing their own kids is something that is beyond my grasp.
I would just wait until it is proven that she did it because if she didn't I think that's the most horrible thing that can happen to a mother. Losing your kids and then being accused of killing them when in fact you didn't.

[stonefinder.livejournal.com]

Oh, I don't blame you for being upset and I'm not saying you're wrong. It's a horrific thing. I'm just saying it's too early to tell what happened or who, if anyone, is at fault. It's always best to reserve judgment in cases like this because if it turns out the woman is innocent, her life is ruined. Too many people are quick to believe someone guilty simply because they were arrested and never bother to check the facts. Suppose she is innocent, which is by no means guaranteed - imagine what it would like to have lost your kids, been accused of killing them and treated like pariah for the rest of your life because, despite the fact that you were proven innocent, people still think you're guilty.

[mayqueen517.livejournal.com]

Once I have the time I'll type up the newspaper article that was in today's paper.

It's got the transcript of the 911 call and it's...there's something odd about it. I'll have to type it up

[stonefinder.livejournal.com]

You don't have to do that. Her guilt isn't really relevent to my point. What happened was horrifying, there's no question about that. Your main question of how a parent could do such a thing is still a good one. Parents have killed their children before in the past and probably will in the future; there's no explaining or understanding it. All I'm say is don't jump to conclusions in any given case until all the facts are presented.